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Beyond Income- Interview with Author Hiba Fathima about her upcoming book
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What if your career could be more than just a paycheck? Join us for an enlightening conversation with Hiba Fatima, an Islamic career and legacy coach, dietician, and author, who challenges the age-old notion that work is just about making money. Hiba offers a unique perspective by intertwining secular career advice with Islamic teachings, inspired by her own high school experiences of seeking purpose beyond conventional career guidance. Her book, "Beyond Income," is not only a testament to her journey but also a guide for anyone looking to align their work with their faith and greater life purpose.
Hiba's book uses a captivating parable of two characters, Mr. Normal and Mr. Outstanding, to illustrate how we can find fulfillment beyond the daily grind. The narrative encourages readers to aspire to be like Mr. Outstanding, whose life is enriched by meaningful contributions and personal growth. As we discuss the book's universal appeal, Hiba shares valuable insights on living with purpose and intention, offering a fresh perspective on achieving happiness through balance between worldly success and spiritual enrichment.
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Hello, salam everybody. Welcome back to N-Peace with me, delene Abou-Chaban, where we come together to reflect, to heal and to grow. I am very excited in today's episode to host an amazing author who has her book due very, very soon, and I'm very excited that she will be my very first guest and I want to introduce you to Hiba. Hiba Fatima is an Islamic career and legacy coach, a dietician and an author. She is passionate about helping Muslims align their careers with their faith. As a certified coach and student of knowledge, she combines her professional knowledge with Islamic perspective in her coaching. When not coaching or writing, hiba enjoys reading and exploring nutrition and hosting retreats. You can learn more about Hiba on her Instagram and her website, which I will put on the description episode.
Speaker 1:Very warm welcome, heva, and I would love to start with your book. What inspired you to write this beautiful book that you shared some with me? I I loved how rich it was, how very inspiring it is, and I want you to give our audience um some insight of your book. What is it all about? What inspired you to write the book?
Speaker 2:so to you, heba inspired you to write the book. So to you, heba, oh alaikum salam, it's my honor and pleasure to be here. First of all, I thank you for, like it's really, I'm really honored to be your first guest. Um so, what inspired me to write this book? Um so, when I was in high school, I went through this journey of, you know, wanting to figure out what I wanted to study and what I would want to work on, and at that time I was actually doing my hifd also. But I couldn't focus on my hifd and I would occasionally find myself, you know, in my mom's room talking to her about what I wanted to do. You know, I remember like those lengthy conversations that I used to have and at the end she would just say you know, just trust us, make dua, and he will guide you to, you know, something that's right for you at the right time.
Speaker 2:But I wasn't very satisfied with that, because I am a type of person who needs to know what I'm going to work on, or like what I'm working towards. So, in whatever you know spare time that I had, I used to spend that into doing, you know, some research on career selection and what people have to say. You know all these secular experts and all of that. And one of the biggest things that, would you know, concern me was, you know, the lack of connecting. You know the lack of people like from the Muslims talking about career, because, you know, as a Muslim, you also have the questions of like, okay, if I am aspiring too high or if I have big goals, am I running after dunya? And you know, especially as a girl, as a woman, you can have like more questions, like more layers to unpack. You know, are you supposed to be working? Are you allowed to work? Is that right for you? You have so many other responsibilities and I had those, some questions and slowly, like I started, you know, learning um more about Islam and I started, like my Islamic studies and through that I was eventually able to unpack all of those questions.
Speaker 2:And then I had the opportunity to, you know, understand this properly, like put the secular side with Islam, and I was like, okay, that makes more sense. So when I was doing going through all of that, you know, like I used to make a lot of presentations back then. So I just put together a small presentation like my notes, not intending to share it with anybody at that time. But once I was just talking to one of my uncles and he was like you know what? You have to share this with my son and daughter. I was like okay, and that was like 2021 I think, and I shared that with some of my cousins and they found it very beneficial and over time it developed into my coaching program and last, year there was a point where I was like, wow, there's like so much information as I keep learning, as I keep digging, I like there's too much for me to cover in a coaching program.
Speaker 2:And so I made a booklet and I was like, no, booklet is not enough, I need to write a book on this. So that's basically how the book came together and, interestingly enough, if you asked me last October if I was ever going to write a book on this subject, I would probably have said no oh cool.
Speaker 1:It's amazing because, yeah, I love how it's been a journey. So it wasn't just an idea through at you. You kept, you know, unpacking and going through from a layer to another until you finally it was meant for you to actually do it. It's amazing and I love the title of the book Hiba a beyond income. You know people when they think about work, when they think about career. Sadly, it shouldn't be. I know a, but most of the time it's about income how are we gonna pay our bills? And that's all how.
Speaker 1:This is the state of the the majority of humanity really, and I know through your book you argue otherwise and how it's all about finding purpose. It's about helping others and be in benefits to our fellow human beings, and I loved how you quoted in your book a beautiful hadith by Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him which is in Arabic, says which means the most beloved people to God are those who are the most beneficial to people, and I feel this kind of sums up how a the perspective of islam about work. But I wondered if you wanna um tell us more about that, about this particular point and linking it to your title how work is all beyond, about beyond income yeah.
Speaker 2:So, um, how like? Income in itself is not a bad thing, because in order to live, in order to survive, you need to take care of yourselves, you need to take care of your family, and it's not just about, like you know, we sometimes, as muslims, have a very bad relationship with money, but you know what allah said. I didn't make money a very bad thing. You know you are allowed to earn, you are allowed to enjoy what you earn. And because, if you think about it, even in the sahaba, among the sahaba, there were so many companions who were actually rich, and we actually know about it. You know Uthman bin Affan, radiallahu wa anhu, and we have Abdullah Rahman bin A'uf, and you know so many more, even like anis ibn malik, later on in his life, he had, he was very rich, subhanallah.
Speaker 2:So the money in itself is not the issue, but I think what the problem is with us now is that, when we are approaching work, we only think of that as a means of income and sometimes forget how it can be something that's more meaningful than just bringing food to the table or bringing some things that you enjoy.
Speaker 2:You know our, like you mentioned, you know our, our work can be something that, through which we help other people, our work can be you know about, because the number of hours that we spend working, if we are mindful of it and if we know why we are doing it and we are doing, you know, in the halal boundaries, inshallah which I'm sure, alhamdulillah, every one of us are trying their best to do that can actually be our Ibadah as well.
Speaker 2:So you know, you don't have to think, okay, I work for my dunya and then you know you don't have to think, okay, I work for my dunya and then you know I will work for my akhira by you know, make you know and fasting, and maybe going to amra or reading the quran. No, like your work can be a very, you know, a very big part of your akhira. It can build your jannah for you. So that's what I try to explain in the book that your work is not supposed to be detached from your dunya. You can attach that to your akhira and use that to build your akhira absolutely, yeah, yeah and yeah, absolutely, as, as you said.
Speaker 1:About money, yeah, um, surely it is a blessing and I feel it is our duty to earn as money as we can, because it's not just to sustain ourselves, but it's a way of sharing goodness with other people, with humanity, with doing more good deeds, with supporting more charities. So, absolutely, money is a blessing and we should not view it as a bad thing or a negative thing. Um, yeah for sure. So, in your book, hiba, what was the key messages you wanted the reader to take out from it? And I want to acknowledge that Heba's book Beyond Income is not just for Muslims.
Speaker 1:Honestly, any, any human being can benefit from this beautiful book. I know it. It touches on the Islamic perspective about career, about work, about purpose. But, um, to me, islam speaks to every human being, not just for muslim born, and this is the beauty of it. So I I encourage everybody to read the book, whatever your background is, because it will help you in your journey. And what I love about the book Hiba, that it really helps people to live mindfully, to choose their careers, their work mindfully, with purpose, with intention, which One Piece really encourages. So I wanted to ask what were the key messages you wanted the reader to take away from the book, or whatever you want to focus on? I know you've touched into so many amazing points, but what you really want to focus on here- yeah.
Speaker 2:So what I want the reader to mainly take away from the book is number one, that you know your work doesn't have to be a part of your dunya. It can be, it should be actually, ideally, a part of your akhira, something that benefits you not only in this world but in the akhira, and what I mean by that. If I were to share some points from the book about how your work is viewed like working and career and a job and what all of this, you know, from the islamic lens, looks like, it's basically, you know, if you look at I started the book, I started the section with this parable and with this analogy. You know, in the there's like a class and there's a teacher and the teacher wants to inspire students to actually, you know, aim high in life and not be, not live like an average life. So what she does is that she introduces two characters to them and says okay, meet Mr Normal and this person.
Speaker 2:You know he goes through his school and he has. He gets a, you know, regular degree, he goes and gets a normal job and then he has a typical family and he has a typical routine. Every day he wakes up after Fajr and you know, because you have, you pray Salah and then maybe goes back to bed or goes to work and then comes back home. It's eat, sleep, family and work, and the cycle goes on. The person doesn't really have many. So, you know, social engagements, but that's the mr, mr normal. You know, that's his life. He lives a very normal and ordinary life and you know, as the teacher introduces this person that you know the students begin laughing among themselves, like what kind of a person is he? Like, you know, his life is so boring, basically. And so, uh, then the teacher, you know, says okay, meet Mr Outstanding this person. You know he does all of the things that Mr Normal does, but he also makes sure that he has his own accomplishments. He makes sure that he finds time to help other people, you know, to help his community, maybe it's through writing a book, maybe it's through some community service, maybe it's through volunteering. So this person, he does all of the things that Mr Normal does. You know, he makes sure he reads his on time, he makes sure he recites the Quran and all of those things, but he has this aspect of social contribution that Mr Normal doesn't have.
Speaker 2:And the purpose of the analogy that the teacher presented was very clear, so that she can inspire the students to become more like Mr Outstanding and not choose to live a normal life. But what happens is there's a student who raises his hand and says you know, I still want to be Mr Normal, and the teacher is surprised, like that was the exact opposite of what I wanted. So she thought she didn't explain it well and wanted to re-explain everything. But the student said you know, know, I understand everything you said. But the problem is, for me, it looks like Mr Normal has a more happy life than Mr Outstanding, because when you describe him of doing all of those things and, you know, having those engagements, or maybe writing a book, maybe volunteering, it looks like he works.
Speaker 2:So the teacher said okay, so us, as human beings, every one of us is looking for happiness, right? Muslim or non-Muslim, every single one of us looks for happiness. That's a common goal that everyone has. And she said that our happiness is, you know, it can vary. Not everybody's happiness is going to be the same, not everybody's happiness is going to be the same. And you think Mr Normal is, you know, happy because he has a comfortable life, he doesn't have as many challenges as Mr Outstanding. But Mr Outstanding's life, even though it might be more stressful, maybe he's more busy, but he is more happy than Mr Normal. That is because when we achieve something, the happiness that we gain through achieving, through accomplishment, is very, very, you know. It outweighs the happiness that we get from you know comfort. And she asked the student. Yeah, she asked the student like think about the last time, you know, think about a test that you worked very hard on and you got a good grade. And think about the test that you know you didn't really study well and you know you just passed. When were you more happy? Obviously, we're going to be more happy on, you know, the time that we put in more effort and we got the results that we wanted. We got the results that we wanted.
Speaker 2:So I start with that and with this analogy. Sometimes what comes up is okay if I want to be Mr Outstanding and if I want to be among 2% of the people in this world who aim high. You know it kind of looks like Islam says don't go after dunya. So what do I do? So the next chapters that follow is basically trying to explain it to the reader that you know being an outstanding person doesn't mean that you are chasing dunya and you can do everything. You know. You can be a very outstanding person. You can have a very busy life, you can earn a lot more. You can, you know, engage with so many people. You can have a great network while you care about your akhira more than your dunya.
Speaker 2:And if I were to give one example from the companions of the prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam because, you know, we get our islam from the prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, from the quran and his companions, right, so if we look for what their lives look like, we can very clearly see that rahman, radiallahu anhu, he was, you know, so rich, subhanallah. Yet he was still, you know, a very righteous person. He didn't have to give up all of his wealth to become, you know, a righteous person. He's still engaged in his business, he's's still engaged in his trade, and that actually helped him earn his Jannah. You know, by. You know he was the one who facilitated the foundation of Medina, essentially because, you see, he was the one who bought the well when the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam moved to Medina. He was the one who laid the foundation of the masjid and helped Prophet Sallallahu alayhi wa sallam expand that. And you know, in the military campaigns that prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam had, in taboo for example, he, he gave so much in charity. So you know, his wealth essentially gave him his jannah.
Speaker 2:And not only does that relate to wealth. Even in positions of authority. Sometimes, you know, we as muslims are like. You know, we shouldn't really engage so much in this world, we shouldn't really be active in the community. Just, you know, we as Muslims are like. You know, we shouldn't really engage so much in this world, we shouldn't really be active in the community. Just, you know, read the Quran, just make sure you would do your nawafil and just focus on your aqa. That's what we think.
Speaker 2:But you know, uthman, radiallahu anhu, the same person, not only did he have wealth, but he also had a position of authority. He was the califa of the Muslims. Position of authority he was the caliph of the muslims and to be like, as I had, or a person of asceticism, or like a person of zuhd, he did not give up. You know his position he was still working as a caliph and yet he was a righteous person. So, yes, these positions of leadership and roles and making contributions and, you know, staying within the community, being aware all of those things have nothing to do with your you know, with how much of you love this dunya or not. That is something that is in our hearts, that we can judge for ourselves, our responsibilities and our roles.
Speaker 2:The obligations that al-suhandl placed on us still stand, even if we choose to be a zahir rahman radiallahu anhu. He used to wear clothes, very minimal clothes, like very modest clothes. He wasn't very extravagant, even though he had the entire wealth of medina. He chose that he was going to live a simple life.
Speaker 2:So you know, what I'm trying to say is that being an outstanding person is not something that islam discourages you to do, and all of the things that you hope to get your in your akhira by being a modest person, by being a person of the akhira and not caring too much about the world, all of that matters in your personal lives. But you have to have fulfill your real you know communal obligations, and you have to. You know you don't have to give up wealth in order to do that, and one of the things that I argue in the book is that being an outstanding person is not only recommended in a style, but it's kind of obligatory on you and what I mean by that is like, if you go to surah al-asr, allah says that um, he swears by the time and he says, in an insan, that every single human being is in loss, except except for the people who fulfill these four conditions.
Speaker 2:Number one they believe in us. Number two they, you know, do righteous deeds, they have good deeds, they have hasanat. The third thing he mentioned is that they stand up for the truth. You know, they convey the truth. And the fourth part is they can weigh that with, they exercise patience, basically. So, if you look at this, the first two things have to do with your personal Ibadat and your personal connection with Allah, subh'anahu Wa Ta-A'la. And the last two things has to do with your communal obligations. You know, two things has to do with your communal obligations. You know your for your, for your obligation to convey the message of Islam to other people, to hold, you know, to have uh, to wish well for them, you know, and that requires sabr.
Speaker 1:So I think this is the most important thing that I want the reader to take away from the book yeah, I love, and I love Surah Al-Asr because, even though it's a very short surah, it really sums up a lot about life in general and about the role of the believer in this life, and I love how you articulated all these points in the book very nicely in a beautiful arguments. And definitely, a believer I know there is a misconception about we should be detached of this dunya, of this temporary life, which is, yes, the. But the example you gave about Osman shows the real example of a true believer, because a true believer is connected to the divine and must represent the divine richness on this earth. And this is what your book is really arguing and encouraging people to do, and how a believer encourages others to see the truth but also is detached what they choose to follow at the end. And this is what Surah Al-Asr that you wrote a big part on that and I love that one wrote a big part on that and I love that one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and from Surah Al-Asr and from the point of patience, hiba, I love also how you mentioned how the higher you climb, the harder the wind blows. I love that point very much and it just shows also the life of a believer that is full of purpose, full of giving, full of service. The higher you're becoming mindful in this life, sometimes the challenges will become more, but because of having that divine connection to the divine, you always find ways. But I wanted to hear from you more about this point the higher you climb, the harder the wind blows, and how a believer, through work, can meet lots of challenges or hardships, and how they deal with it. Um, if you want to comment on that, yeah.
Speaker 2:So a lot of times, you know, when we set our set some goals for ourselves and you know we aim high, which is what I want people to do, because you know you have so much more potential in you than you realize.
Speaker 2:Al-hasbant gave you so much talent. Al-hasbant gave you so, because you know you have so much more potential in you than you realize. Allah gave you so much talent, allah gave you so much. You know potential and we need to put that to use. So when we do that and we aim high for ourselves, we set goals for ourselves. Sometimes, you know we are very ambitious and that is a very good thing. But the only problem is that sometimes we get discouraged because of the challenges that we might face. And I want you to realize you know that. You know when we climb a mountain, we want to get the better view right, the, you know, the best view comes from the top right. So when we want to climb and we want to reach there even you know, in our lives to a point that you know that would be very that we are looking up to, when we want to go there along the way, when you are climbing, you know the wind is going to blow, you know, harsher because there's because you're climbing higher. You know there's not many people who go there. And, similarly, when we set those goals for ourselves, you know there's going to be different kinds of challenges that come our way. Maybe it's the naysayers you know people who are trying to discourage you. Maybe they're you know they try to put you down, they put your spirit down. They don't want you to go any further. Maybe it's the people. Maybe it's just the challenges in the nature of your work. Or maybe it's like the time you have to spend. Or you know you have to maintain your strict routine and you have to maintain your motivation and all of those things. You know there can be many different kinds of challenges and, yeah, sometimes it's because of these challenges that we give up on our goals. And I want people to understand. You understand, you know, like people includes me as well that, inshallah, when we are trying to achieve these things and we want to go high and you know we want to build our akhira with our work, there's going to be challenges. But you know that should be good news for us, because the prophet, sallallahu alayhi wasallam, said that the most beloved of people to allah are those who are tested the most. So, in essence, when we got those you know hardships, it should be like reassuring us that, okay, we are like among the people who really Allah loves, because he only tests the people he loves and if he thinks that I can get through this, then he will. You know, he has given me that capability to do that. Inshallah, I am going to get through that. So, you know, I think that we need to reframe that, you know. You know, sometimes we look at tests and hardships and we think like, okay, these are some things that we should not. You know, those are like bad news, but, you know, those are some very beautiful things and, yes, it is challenging to get that true through that, but, inshallah, allah will give you so much more in that space, because the most tested of people were the prophets of Allah and if we are getting tested, we are, inshallah, drawing closer to their ranks and we will get, you know, so much more in jannah and I think that is something that we should look forward to.
Speaker 2:So, in the book, the reason why I brought this up, brought this up again, was because I don't want people, including me, to get discouraged when we face challenges. Challenges are part of everyone's journey. You know, everybody has their ups and downs and we need to stay focused on our goal to. You know, reach there and I mentioned like three things that really helped people. And you know some things that helped me and some things that I've seen help people to to get through hardships is, you know, one of those things is remembering why you started.
Speaker 2:Think about why you're working on this, why, why do you want to? You know, build your akhira with your work. You want to have that. Why, in your mind, think about it, journal about it, so that you really feel grounded, because sometimes, when the challenges come, we don't really think about the long term. We're just focusing on, okay, the moment and how do I get the relief right now. So I think just taking a step back and thinking more about it really helps. And, yeah, I think that would be one tip I would share from the book here yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1:It's it's important to always reconnect with, with the why and the purpose why we're doing what we're doing, and that again keep us connected to to the cause, so where, whatever challenges anybody faces, they keep going um.
Speaker 2:And yeah, I was just reminded I'm sorry, I was just reminded of, like how even the prophet is sometimes reminded in the quran by allah that we sent you as a bashir and a nadir, as a warner and a person who gives glad tithings to people. Don't get caught up with the other people and what they're saying and you know you don't need to feel guilty for them not accepting us. Remember why you're here. What's your purpose?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that. I love it. It sums it up nicely and it really eliminates all the distractions because, yeah, most people don't like to change or fear taking the next step or fear the uncertainty. But, yeah, this is where faith and belief comes in, how it keeps us going and our big why always keeps the believer going and growing in this life and sees all the challenges on the way as as a way forward, forward and as a way to grow more and achieve their purpose, actually quicker at times. So, yeah, beautiful points. Jazakallah khair for that.
Speaker 1:So, heba, I wanted to ask about so, beyond income, what was the journey of writing? Like, how long did it take? Did you, did you have a particular writing routine? Because I mean, mashallah, you set a very good example. You're not just saying these points and that's it. No, you practice what you preach from everything you're doing. And you did in the past, studying at university but at the same time, coaching people, writing a whole book, doing coaching programs. So you definitely a great example for for what you're writing about, and I'd love to hear about your journey. What helped you to fulfill this? What helped you through your writing? How was the writing journey like? If you'd like to share more about that?
Speaker 2:yeah. So first of all, um, I hope I practice what I preach, forgive me for what you don't know and make me better than what you assume, um, I mean. So what the writing journey for me looked like was like I mentioned. If you asked me last october, I would have no clue that I was going to write a book. It was randomly one day in november when I was like you know, I need to write a book. It was randomly one day in November when I was like you know, I need to write a book and I just opened my Microsoft.
Speaker 2:Word and started typing in. One of the things, one of the things like leading up to that day that I opened Word and started writing, it was I was really worried about. You know, I don't write well, and what should I do? And I just remember reading one of the acknowledgement section in one of the self-help books and I was like, okay, people can actually change my writing into something that makes more sense. Let me just start writing. So, yeah, I just started writing that in November sometime and initially I had like I used to write every single day in the morning for some time, um, and I would just put down thoughts randomly, like not even like proper English sentences, just like as I was thinking, and then I could come back and rewrite that into something that makes more sense. So initially I went through that and then, um, I was mostly finished by January. I was finished.
Speaker 2:I finished my first draft in January and I had a friend I reached out to if she could edit for me, but she was very busy and I spent like a good amount of time looking for some editors because I they were really hard to find because my book was, you know. Uh, the thing about my book is like I don't want Islam to be something added to the book, like the concepts, and then adding Islam to the book. No, I wanted everything to come from an Islamic perspective and for that I needed a person who understood and like, has a background in Islamic studies. So in that sense, finding an editor was kind of a challenge, but I had the life on my mind. In that sense, finding an editor was kind of a challenge but alhamdulillah I found one and yeah. So in during the writing process I had many exams because I was I'm still- saying wow with the international university.
Speaker 2:I am majoring in ulama and at the time I started I was still finished finishing off my bachelor's in nutrition. So there was like I was still finishing off my bachelor's in nutrition so there was like a lot of exams coming and going so it was kind of hard. But what I think what helped me was I took the book like an escape from studying. So when I don't want to study I'm just working on the book. Initially, once I finished, I think a lot of time the book was with the editor and then once I got that, I got the book back. It was just me trying to go through it and just refine it in research about book marketing and all of that stuff. And I went through when I reached out to different publishers but you know Allah has the best plan and I was hoping to work with one particular publisher very much.
Speaker 2:But it didn't work out, but I made a stajara, so I was trying to calm myself down that you know, alas Fentel would give me something that's best, and now I that I think about it. If I were to publish with them, it would probably have taken me three years to publish the book, when the book is literally coming out in 2025, around like around those, around 23 days, basically. So, yeah, I'm glad everything very exciting, yeah mashallah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So into the final point you mentioned about the, the publishing day. What is the exact date? I'm sure our audience are excited to know, and is it already available to pre-order? Hiba, if you want to tell us more about the book and when is it going to be published, if we can pre-order it now, all these things, I really wanted to have the pre-order but with the publishing company I'm working with, they don't have a pre-order for um hard copies so unfortunately, there is no pre-orders, uh, but, inshallah, the book is coming out on 30th October, in around 20 days, and, inshallah, you can order your book from Amazon.
Speaker 2:Inshallah, and I'm working to get the book in other bookstores as well, so yeah amazing.
Speaker 1:That's really, really exciting. Congratulations on this big achievement. Um, thank you, and it's really exciting and I'm sure I encourage everybody who's listening today to buy the book. It's really a life changing and has so many areas that it covered. You'll be inspired not just to grow career-wise but in different aspects of your lives. So I do encourage you all to order Heba's book Countdown to the 30th of October, which is very soon. It's amazing, is there?
Speaker 2:anything else, heba, you want to share with our listeners, you want to encourage them. Before we wrap up this episode, I think one thing, if I were to mention what would be, you know, with the current world events, you know our heart goes out to the people of Palestine and Lebanon and all the people suffering, from the Uyghurs to the people in Sudan, to the people of Kashmir and everywhere. And I think one thing that I would want people to remember is that money speaks and you know we influence speaks. So, with your work, we need to get out of this mindset of you know we're just working in order to survive in this world, we need to take on more leadership roles as Muslims. You know we, as Muslims, are supposed to be the leaders of the world.
Speaker 2:If you look back into the time of the Prophet and the generations after them, we Muslims were the ones who were leading, and I think that is something that we have not been doing since the past few centuries, I may say, or decades. So I think we need to really get out of this limiting mindset that we have and focus more on taking on the leadership roles you know starting our own businesses, starting our own initiatives and taking the lead. And, inshallah, that would be the last thing that I would end with, you know. Inshallah, that would help us build a legacy, build our akhira, make a positive impact in this world. And yeah, I think that's all I have to say beautiful.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thanks so much for mentioning this important point, heba. And especially, we're recording today, on the 7th of October, when it's been a whole year, yeah, on the suffering of our beautiful fellow human beings in Palestine, but now Lebanon and Sudan and all people who are suffering. It's important for us to remember them and remember, when we show up, we are actually helping these people. Positions of showing up, of speaking up, of, of sharing the truth, as you mentioned, you know, when you talked about surah al-asr, which is the role of the role models on this earth, of sharing the truth, encouraging it and having patience and perseverance on the journey, which is really, really important. In the middle of so many, all these overwhelming events of the genocide and all the suffering, it's important to remain calm and patient and know that there is always ease after hardships and there is always light, and when we have more people and leaders of the truth leading and on this earth, um, the light will come out a sooner to this earth. So, yeah, thank you so so much, heba, for being my very first guest. It's been my pleasure, it's been my pleasure and really I don't know how the time passed so quickly. Honestly, I'm so grateful for your time. I'm so grateful for the beautiful messages that you are spreading through your book, through your coaching, through your existence, really.
Speaker 1:And yeah, I hope you, our listeners, will buy Hiba's book. You will never regret it. It's a life-changing book. And follow Hiba book you will never regret it. It's a life-changing book. And follow Heba. I will put her website, her Instagram, on the description and, in the meanwhile, until we connect again in the next peace, I wish you all power and goodness for the rest of the weeks ahead and Assalamualaikum.
Speaker 2:Waalaikumussalam.
